i know theres already an article about this but i found more information.

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Did the Disney studio steal Kimba The White Lion and rework it as their 'original story', The Lion King? They certainly give that impression with their corporate stance ('we never heard of Tezuka nor Kimba until after The Lion King was released'). And why would they have filed suit to try to prevent the showing of Tezuka Productions' 1997 Jungle Emperor Leo movie at the 1998 Toronto FantAsia Film Festival? (Jungle Emperor was the original title for Kimba The White Lion.) It seems quite simple; Kimba had been kept out of sight in North America for 20 years by that time.

I'm sure you've heard how every character in The Lion King has a matching character in Kimba, all the way down to the level of both having a sage mandrill mis-identified as a baboon.

The shame of the matter is that the Disney company is sticking to their official line --that their people never heard of Kimba before The Lion King was released-- even in the face of logic and evidence. As Robin Pen pointed out, if we were to take their statement at face value, it actually means they were stupid and irresponsible. But more than that, many examples say just the opposite of the Disney statement.

During planning sessions for The Lion King, Simba started out as a white lion until one of the animators spoke up: 'Not even OUR lawyers are THAT good!' Maybe so, but notice how both characters have a tuft of hair in the middle of their foreheads, and the very unusual dark ear rim. That alone shows how Kimba is the direct predecessor of Simba.

Both title characters turn to eating bugs to save their herbivore friends. In The Lion King, they blow past this idea in under a minute, but it was a major plot element in Kimba; the meat eaters tried eating plants until they hit on the idea of eating bugs.

And more... the patch of thorns... (This scene called the matching scene from Kimba immediately to my mind. I couldn't believe how much alike they were.)

dangling from a cliff with the villain above.The antagonist lion in Kimba was introduced as his 'aunt', while Scar was Simba's uncle.

and the stampede.

I've left for last the big thing everyone mentions when comparing the two works: the parent lion appearing in the sky. There's good reason people pay attention to this: When Kimba's mother appears to him in the stars shortly after being killed, it is one of the most touching and moving scenes in television animation history. And, several times during the Lion King, the idea of ancestors in the stars is mentioned. However, when Simba does have a vision of his father, it is in a cloud and (perhaps) the moon (there is a lot of light in that scene, which suggests the moon). This has a different parallel in Kimba.

Now as i finish my arcticle of with has anyone noticed that kimba and simba have a one letter difference.now you will find some pictures putting the lion king and kimba together so you can see the sameness.(sorry if thats not a word)

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lexipooh10, July 23, 2006 at 21: 54 Member

that's so weird,and there's no way that can be a coincidence.

Aniu_loup, July 24, 2006 at 10: 32 Member

The disney-company actually did their homework in naming the characters. Simba is Swahilli for lion, while Kimba means corpse (or a pile of dung), it's true 'cause I looked it up on a translation site. This is something we can discuss about for ever...Many people think Kimba is the real king, while most of us think it's Simba. Also, in Jungle Emperor (of 1997), we see that the cubs are also introduced to the other animals, but instead of a monkey showing the cubs, one elephant and one giraf lift them in the air...Like I said, you can discuss about this for ever.

rockyjet, July 24, 2006 at 17: 11 Member

I think the lion king is SO a copy °x° Good thing you put the pictures but there's already an article about this.

Nessa, July 28, 2006 at 01: 53 Member

wow. thats weird. i like the lion king more. more better looking lions.

Shiro, July 29, 2006 at 22: 56 Member

Warning: VERY long chowing rant. Time for me to settle another debate about Kimba vs. Simba. "During planning sessions for The Lion King, Simba started out as a white lion until one of the Now, tell me exactly, where did you get this statement from? I'm going to chow this. I have the special edition DVD of TLK, and it includes the makings of the characters. No where, and I mean NO WHERE, did it mention once that Simba was originally going to be white. This is a lie, and it was only made up as one more excuse. "Maybe so, but notice how both characters have a tuft of hair in the middle of their foreheads, and the very unusual dark ear rim. That alone shows how Kimba is the direct predecessor of Simba." All right, now common sense can easily chow this. It's obvious that the artist included a tuft of hair on Kimba to make him more "humanized". For proof of his humanization: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/ReallyKimbaTheWhiteLion.jpg Doesn't his face look human to you? Compare it to any old-style anime face (particularly "Astro Boy" ), and you'll see. As for Simba's tuft of fur, I believe that the tuft of fur is a little "mane" for him, as he was the future king. Then, for the dark ear rim, they aren't even on the same part of the ear! The rims on Kimba's ears are on the TIPS on his ears, while Simba's are on the sides of them. "Both title characters turn to eating bugs to save their herbivore friends. In The Lion King, they blow past this idea in under a minute, but it was a major plot element in Kimba; the meat eaters tried eating plants until they hit on the idea of eating bugs." Okay, Simba did not necessarily eat bugs to avoid eating his friends. Timon and Pumbaa's home lacked of animals that Simba would normally eat, so all he could eat was bugs. And later, in the sequels, it's obvious he didn't continue eating bugs, as the lionesses hunted for normal game. "And more... the patch of thorns... (This scene called the matching scene from Kimba immediately to my mind. I couldn't believe how much alike they were.)" Simba fell in the patch of thorns, but he was small enough to squeeze through and escape. Furthermore, in your picture, Banzai the HYENA was hurt by the thorns, not Simba. "dangling from a cliff with the villain above.The antagonist lion in Kimba was introduced as his 'aunt', while Scar was Simba's uncle." I feel ashamed that you would take this so lightly. Granted, I haven't seen Kimba in quite a while, but I'm sure this doesn't have quite the same effect as it does in TLK. Scar was holding Simba over a pit of flaming death while Scar was telling the truth about Mufasa. This was a powerful, and serious moment. And looking at the pictures, Kimba's "aunt" wasn't holding Kimba's paws. The Stampede. All right, now, tell me, was this stampede a clever work of "Claw"? Did he use it as a way to kill Kimba's father? No. This was just a normal stampede, so what if they were in danger like Simba was. It's not like this stampede killed a major character, or anything. "I've left for last the big thing everyone mentions when comparing the two works: the parent lion appearing in the sky. There's good reason people pay attention to this: When Kimba's mother appears to him in the stars shortly after being killed, it is one of the most touching and moving scenes in television animation history." Ahh, you are right about everyone mentioning that. And, of course, it is the most INCORRECT thing. Whoever said that first clearly didn't do their TLK research. According to the creators, the whole "parent appearing in the sky" thing came from the Bible, when Joseph saw the burning bush. This did NOT come from Kimba in any way, shape, or form. Now for the baboon mistaken for a mandrill bit. The mandrill was called a baboon because children are more familiar with baboons than they are with mandrills. Rafiki was regarded as a wise shaman, and a kind friend to the pride. For the hyenas, did they work for Claw? Were they his minions? Were they ordered to kill Kimba? No. Paulie copied from Zazu. Ha. They aren't even the same bird! Okay, anyone who watches TLK knows that Zazu is the king's majordomo and was ordered to keep an eye on Simba/Kiara. Paulie was just a chatty friend of Kimba's. Finally, Kitty reminds you of Nala, huh? Just by looking at the picture, it appears she's a "girly" lioness. Nala seems a bit more robust, and she isn't so girly, as she liked going on advemtures with Simba (and furthermore, she was able to pin down Simba. ;) ) Okay, I'm finished. My apologies for a long comment but I had to explain everything.

lion_king~truth_finder, July 31, 2006 at 19: 49 Member

i would love to believe that it was a coincidence but i don't think it is. i think there might have been a bit of rivalry between walt disney and whoever made up Kimba and one heard about the film the other was making and decided to do the same. i do think that the lion king was done first and was the original idea seeing as it was finished first...i think. :P :P

Katie, August 07, 2006 at 13: 05

I cheer for you Shiro. You explained everything perfectly. I have do my own little rant as well though. Caesar (kimba's father) was killed by a hunter. Mufusa was killed by Scar. No copying there. Snowene (kimba's mother) was killed. Sarabi wasn't. Still no copying. Mufusa spent a bit of time with Simba before his death. Caesar never even met Kimba. The picture of Caesar & Kimba never happened. The picture of Mufusa & Simba was really something that happened. And I don't see Caesar teaching Kimba about the Circle of Life. *** Kimba was a cub, or very young (he wasn't an adult) when he fought Claw. Simba was an adult when he fought Scar. *** Kitty shows nothing of Nala. Nala is a strong woman, and not too girly, like Shiro said. Done of my rant. :)

Night's Eclipse, August 07, 2006 at 17: 14 Member

In response to Shiro's rant-there WAS originally supposed to be a white lion in the movie. Look on the Special Features disc on your Lion King DVD and look for the original production reel that was sent to merchandise people and such. If you watch it, you can see an image of two lion cubs playing, ONE OF WHICH IS WHITE. It's called the "Early Presentation Reel" and it's under the North America sub catogory. Pay close attention, some of the pictures move by fast. I would suggest pausing it at that picture to get a good look at it. Also, just because every little detail isn't exactly the same doesn't mean that concepts weren't taken from another work. Don't get me wrong, using other people's work that you admire as a concept or to help you come up with ideas isn't wrong. What is wrong is using these ideas and concepts and claiming them as your own. I like the Lion King, but I believe credit should be given where credit's due.

airashiikoneko, August 08, 2006 at 09: 09 Member

YES, ANOTHER LONG THOUGHT...But I'm not here to argue, I'd just like everyone to read this view of mine. RELAX and THINK. FIRST OFF: I like BOTH productive creations of Kimba and Simba...they are BOTH cute! So don't go ranting about "one sided" issues I’m just here to point out fair facts. Though the lion king may be an "original Disney" production, you will never be able to escape the fact that the IDEAS from the movie came from other movie and book sources, including that of Kimba the white lion. Do you honestly think that just because Disney changed a few script trails, characters, drawings, colorings, and scenes here and there, that all of a sudden it was a total "accident" that Disney claims they "never heard of" Kimba? Call me crazy, but it seems impossible to have Mr. Osamu Tezuka (who, if you have done your reading, has even acknowledged that Disney's Bambi, assisted as an inspiration for his lion story.) come out with the Kimba the animated series in 1965 (Originally known as Jungle Taitei or "Jungle Emperor" when it was presented as a comic from 1950 to 1954) then fast forward to 1994 when Disney presents The Lion King; oh all of a sudden things start looking similar to the public eye, but according to Disney, it's not! Geeze! That's like saying Pokemon and Digimon don't have similarities Or even like over-looking the fact that Family Guy and The Simpsons are in competition. Remember, when dealing with art or productions, business wise, originality is a BIG money maker...Which is indeed why this is such a heated legal topic! Don't get me wrong, I love both cartoons, but the point is when dealing with story lines copyrights and originality; all artists should give credit where credit is due. Quick example; if you wrote a report at school, went on the internet looked up articles or looked in books to help you...what is that called? REFERNCE. And I'm quite sure that if you went back to class and told the teacher that you "originally" came up with the information all by yourself, not only would you get an "F" you'd be investigated under PLAGIARISM!!! The same goes for Disney! No accusations here, but just THINK, in COMPARISON if Disney really wasn't "borrowing ideas" then there should be no reason for them to be so defensive and denying when it comes to talks of this situation. The only thing that's different is both the Japanese and American entertainment companies have enough money on both sides to keep this legal argument going on forever. But truth be told, it doesn't take a genius to realize scenarios like this one happend more than once and in more places than just the Disney Company! One of my greatest wishes would be for companies to collaborate and work together to create timeless masterpieces (a GREAT example is the video game co-op of Disney and SquareEnix, “Kingdom Hearts” series) instead of creating confusion and court of law nonsense. I am truly ashamed of Disney’s stance on this matter but, either way it goes, the bottom line is this...WRONG IS WRONG!!! If they, as a legal Arts and Entertainment giant, plan to inspire off of another artist's creation, that's ok...but it's never ok to USE an idea and deny its real owner of authenticity. All artist should be given their rightful respects; nothing less but the best. You don't have to like me, you can call me what you want, write an article of how crappy you think this is, or how mad you are...I don't care! Deny, Deny all you want, it can't be twisted, erased, buried or replaced...the TRUTH will ALWAYS come back to haunt you...no matter how famous you are! Oh and here's some info for you to read. I'm sure there's more about the controversy you can look up yourself and read, but these get to the point so I picked only 2. This link is real interesting on both sides, be sure to click and read all the links he’s provided on his page! ******* http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm ******* And this link of course is the helpful wikipedia!! Check it out! ******* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lion_king#Controversies ******* Have a good day ya'll! Keep up the good conversations! ;)

noyana, November 21, 2006 at 19: 43 Member

you're crazy,airashiikoneko.I agree with shiro

ithemba, November 26, 2006 at 20: 36 Member

I think there are good arguements both for and against... But who the **** is Kimba? I've never heard of him!

Canis Lupus, January 21, 2007 at 09: 16 Member

I don't think the Lion King copied Kimba. It inspired TLK, and inspiring is not the same as stealing. They owe a little credit, but only a VERY little. Besides I hate Kimba. He wanted to make everyone vegetarians, and anyone who ate meat was 'evil.' Also, any predator that wasn't a lion, cheetah or leopard cub was 'evil.' This included hyenas, African Wild Dogs and Black panthers, whilst in TLK it was only the hyenas. Also, Nala is a very different (and better) character than Kitty. All Kitty did was giggle, bat her eyelids and need saving by Kimba whilst Nala stood up for she believed in and could save herself. It is too much to ask to make people give a up a great Disney classic for the sake of a cartoon that was made 40 years ago.

Art_of_Wolves, February 06, 2007 at 17: 16 Member

well you hve a point but the lion king could of been copyed instaed of the other way around

AluGal, March 16, 2007 at 21: 04 Member

KIMBA IS SOOOO THE ORGINAL!! LION KIGN STOLE THEIR IDEAS... But they sorta changed them, so its still cool Even though, Westys changed the orginal "kimba"(who is Lune) from Jungle Emperor Leo

AluGal, March 16, 2007 at 21: 06 Member

Westys changed Jungle Emperor Leo(I have it) to Kimab the WHite Lion, they chnage dit sooo much! The orginal is way better, Lune(Kimba)'s father is the great Leo, I forgot his mtohers anme but she looks liekt he adult Kitty and his sister is Lunakio

airashiikoneko, March 30, 2007 at 08: 19 Member

There is too much evidence that is compared side by side, man! It's natural to see that TLK had to be an inspiration from Kimba. (which is flattering as long as the credit is given to the respective persons) And "noyana", or whoever you are...you are only 11 years old, so your comments mean nothing to me. You are too young to know the business and truth behind the makings of art and movies. When you get older, maybe you will understand, and then you can come back and talk to me on what you think you know. Have a good day everyone!

crazywolf4994, May 05, 2007 at 02: 43 Member

Kimba and Simba almost the same name

sarafinaqueen, June 21, 2007 at 14: 16 Member

i am so glad they made the lionking movies.kimba looks simalar to the lionking but i saw the movie kimba onece on t.v it was poorly aminated it was terrible and rubbish.go lionking!

Vetani C@T***, June 24, 2007 at 12: 32 Member

ive never heard of Kimba, was it realesed in Britian!!!!!!?????????

Nalal, July 10, 2007 at 08: 18 Member

Yep...i think they did, Kimba is coolie

Skygirl, December 11, 2007 at 17: 14 Member

I love the Lion King! It's like, a sacred movie in my family! LOL I have to admit, the old series of Kimba sorta sucked. But the remakes cartoon series of Kimba is cute and.... I read somewhere that The Lion King was actually inspired by something in the Bible. The color white usually represents righteousness and "good" in the face of evil. Maybe that's the reason why there was a white cub at first?

lioness simba 6, May 31, 2008 at 23: 27 Member

I can't believe that the Disney company would actually do something like that. Unfortunately they did. But of course i like the Lion King much better

Flurrin, June 18, 2008 at 21: 56 Member

I see how similar they are--good spotting. Why the heck did Disney use the name 'Simba'? It might mean lion but it was very foolish.

Solar-Wolf, September 27, 2008 at 19: 17 Member

I agree with Canis Lupus. I don't like Kimba either. It piosions people's minds to think that anything that was not a lion or ate meat was "evil". Also I think Shiro is right. TLK is NOTHING like Kimba!

TheWhitewolf45, October 25, 2008 at 13: 20 Member

I think kimba is better

wolf, spirit, balto., November 04, 2008 at 16: 10 Member

You're right, these pics are REDICULOUSLY (I hope I spelled that right) similar. Good article.

Kohaku Murasame Liger, November 16, 2008 at 00: 33 Member

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rdb-kRmJ3e4 If you search around with that link you will get the plot of Leo. (Kimba) I personally LOVE Leo MORE. Leo was and IS been around longer than simba.

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