About Kovu and Scar...

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I was reading the script of TLK 2 on this TLK archive thing. There was a deleted scene where Zira talks about her being Scar's mate during his reign. So that's all true, Zira was once queen of the pridelands. She and Kovu also confirmed that Scar wasn't his father. Now, Kovu had to have been born before Scar died, or else Scar wouldn't have been able to chose him to be the next king. But if Kovu was born before Scar died, then how is it that Scar wasn't his father? Only the leading male lion of the pride is allowed to mate with the females. Who else could it have been? It was probably a screw up in the story, but do you think there could have been another explaination?

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Va-kasi, June 21, 2006 at 07: 08

The thing is the cut scene actually doesn't say Zira is Scar's mate. Zira states that she will be his loving devoted queen. There's no denying Zira is obsessed with Scar and wants to be his queen but there's no indication that she is or was and there's nothing saying that Scar loved her back. I think Zira is just a obsessive fan-girl ;)

diana000000123, June 22, 2006 at 00: 21 Member

i agree :)

Akilah, June 22, 2006 at 23: 49 Member

no, it actually DID say she was his mate

Va-kasi, June 24, 2006 at 11: 06

"and I his beloved queen" Doesn't say anything about the past, only the future. The quote doesn't rule out the possibility, but it doesn't do well to enforce it.

halfmoonhowl, June 28, 2006 at 10: 58 Member

I'm sticking with the belief that Kovu was born to rogue lions.

kodi4evur, August 01, 2006 at 04: 21 Member

this means that kovu is a little older than kiara.

*kapu*, August 21, 2006 at 15: 38

I can easily believe that Zira and/or Scar would cubnap Kovu from another pride. Scar was Nuka and Vitani's father, but Kovu was "taken in". Or maybe stolen... we may never know... he could have just been an abandoned cub they took in.

Ithemba, November 19, 2006 at 20: 14 Member

i agree with kapu

kovukat, November 24, 2006 at 06: 34 Member

I think that Disney was very aware of the discrepancy they were creating when they made sure to tell us that Kovu was not actually Scar's heir. You see, it would have been very simple to just say that Vitani, Nuka, and Kovu were all Scar's cubs, and would have left fewer 'logic' problems to solve if they had just done this. So why didnt' they? Disney knew that their young (and older) audiences would probably make the connection that Kiara and Kovu were cousins (thus inbreeding) if they did leave it, so they conveniently changed that little detail to assuage the audience's 'moral sensibilities.' It may have originally been that Scar was supposed to be Kovu's father, but at the last minute someone realized the boo-boo, and pointed out what the implications of this could mean. Disney of course wouldn't want to open up this can of worms. For all intents and purposes, it's a company that doesn't want a lawsuit on its hands that pins them down for 'psychological trauma' or any nonsense of that sort. Which is really amusing to me when I think of how parents read the watered-down versions of Grimm's fairy tales on a regular basis to their children, most of which include allusions to cannibalism, murder, or some other unforgiveable that we are consciously not shielding our children from. So as a side note in the hopes of furthering understanding, I would just like to add this piece of info for those of us that have never had access to it. The marriage between cousins up until present day in technologically advanced societies like America and Europe hasn't always been seen as something bad. It is a long, even time-honored tradition that came about due to geography. Most people were born, lived, and died within a few miles of the place that they grew up, and rarely traveled before cars, airplaines, etc. were created. Therefore, when choosing marriage partners, people would marry their distant or even first cousins (who were usually within a close radius of them). In many instances, it was considered better to marry 'family' than a stranger. Also, in short, the genetic defects that possibly accompany the union of two cousins is statistically only slightly higher than if two unrelated people were to marry. If you want to look at it this way, inbreeding (not 'incest' per say, or the mating of fathers with daughters, etc.) has been a biological asset until just recently has become obsolete. It is still practiced in many countries that are less technologically advanced. As our modes of travel changed (and things such as airplanes could take a man for Germany to England in just a few hours) the need for marrying relatives lessened, as unrelated 'gene pools' from all parts of the world became available to us. Sorry to get into the history of the 'morality' and biological significance of marrying cousins, but I wanted to be sure to share it with those that would appreciate this different standpoint rather than the run-of-the-mill 'marrying cousins always bad' idea that our minds have been ingrained with recently. I hope to not offend anyone.

K&K, February 21, 2007 at 19: 00 Member

Hmmm, thinking with logic, I could say that nobody was thinking about making TLK2:SP when TLK1 was made, so they had to force the arguement a little bit, and that's why there are so many "no-answered questions" between both movies. HOWEVER, I have a theory: may be Scar was thinking of Nuka as his heir, but Nuka wasn't exactly what Scar expected, so Scar told Zira that the next male cub she had would be his true heir. Shortly after that, Scar died, so Zira had to mate another lion to keep her promise. In other words, Kovu didn't meet Scar, but he had been chosen even before being born. "Who is Kovu's father?" I HAVE NO IDEA

Vetani C@T***, May 31, 2007 at 16: 47 Member

well then that was obviosly why its a deleted scene then.

Aniuhorse, June 08, 2007 at 17: 57 Member

well what if zira had mated with another lion and then broke up with him and then just started to meet scar at the end of tlk1

Vetani C@T***, June 29, 2007 at 06: 59 Member

i agree with you

sarabixscar, February 24, 2008 at 10: 57 Member

i think kovu isn's scar or zira's cub I think his parents died a few days after he was born & he was adopted & raised by scar & zira

legacy5, April 25, 2008 at 06: 47 Member

Kovu is Zira's son. Kovu is not Scar's son. The theory by K&K is very plausible. As I recall, in some part, Zira states that Kovu is her son "Haven't you met my son Kovu?". And also, Nuka couldn't be Kovu's brother any other way "You killed your own brother!" because "Kovu Kovu Kovu, Scar wasn't even his father, he just took him in." Sure there are plotholes... many plotholes. But that is exactly what the characters say, have seen both movies X number of times, of 30, I used to watch it every day when I was 8, and I still watch it once a month or two, I know almost every line off by heart, so challenge me if you dare.

Lantana, October 21, 2008 at 17: 43 Member

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